I think that if you're not familiar with some of the personalities involved, it looks different

I think that is very true. And they both just showed up unfunny_fandom. Apparently winterfox has gotten involved in this now? Or was involved in something else somehow related? Idek, I haven't read the links, because just thinking about that gives me a headache.

Wait, is RH winterfox? Oh god. I had no idea.